[ceph-users] ceph-disk removal roadmap (was ceph-disk is now deprecated)

Peter Woodman peter at shortbus.org
Thu Nov 30 08:36:15 PST 2017

How quickly are you planning to cut 12.2.3?

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Alfredo Deza <adeza at redhat.com> wrote:
> Thanks all for your feedback on deprecating ceph-disk, we are very
> excited to be able to move forwards on a much more robust tool and
> process for deploying and handling activation of OSDs, removing the
> dependency on UDEV which has been a tremendous source of constant
> issues.
> Initially (see "killing ceph-disk" thread [0]) we planned for removal
> of Mimic, but we didn't want to introduce the deprecation warnings up
> until we had an out for those who had OSDs deployed in previous
> releases with ceph-disk (we are now able to handle those as well).
> That is the reason ceph-volume, although present since the first
> Luminous release, hasn't been pushed forward much.
> Now that we feel like we can cover almost all cases, we would really
> like to see a wider usage so that we can improve on issues/experience.
> Given that 12.2.2 is already in the process of getting released, we
> can't undo the deprecation warnings for that version, but we will
> remove them for 12.2.3, add them back again in Mimic, which will mean
> ceph-disk will be kept around a bit longer, and finally fully removed
> by N.
> To recap:
> * ceph-disk deprecation warnings will stay for 12.2.2
> * deprecation warnings will be removed in 12.2.3 (and from all later
> Luminous releases)
> * deprecation warnings will be added again in ceph-disk for all Mimic releases
> * ceph-disk will no longer be available for the 'N' release, along
> with the UDEV rules
> I believe these four points address most of the concerns voiced in
> this thread, and should give enough time to port clusters over to
> ceph-volume.
> [0] http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2017-October/021358.html
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Daniel Baumann <daniel.baumann at bfh.ch> wrote:
>> On 11/30/17 14:04, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
>>> point is - you should not purposefully attempt to annoy users and/or
>>> downstreams by changing behaviour in the middle of an LTS release cycle,
>> exactly. upgrading the patch level (x.y.z to x.y.z+1) should imho never
>> introduce a behaviour-change, regardless if it's "just" adding new
>> warnings or not.
>> this is a stable update we're talking about, even more so since it's an
>> LTS release. you never know how people use stuff (e.g. by parsing stupid
>> things), so such behaviour-change will break stuff for *some* people
>> (granted, most likely a really low number).
>> my expection to an stable release is, that it stays, literally, stable.
>> that's the whole point of having it in the first place. otherwise we
>> would all be running git snapshots and update randomly to newer ones.
>> adding deprecation messages in mimic makes sense, and getting rid of
>> it/not provide support for it in mimic+1 is reasonable.
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
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