[ceph-users] list admin issues

Elias Abacioglu elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com
Sat Oct 6 06:15:48 PDT 2018


Hi again,

Did some more investigating:
These are the mails I haven't received from yesterday and now:
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030358.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030359.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030360.html

So it could be
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html
that bounced, and it has an attachment.

Does that particular mail have higher spam score?

/E

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:06 PM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps
> it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> Please help!
>
> Thanks,
> Elias
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date
>> and
>> google will have similar checks:
>> ---
>> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>>
>>  FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>>
>>  HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> ---
>>
>> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
>> out.
>>
>> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >
>> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >
>> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >
>> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly
>> so
>> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >
>> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >
>> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >
>> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > ---
>> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
>> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that
>> the
>> > recipient can click on.
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > You're on gmail.
>> > > >
>> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam
>> my bet
>> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> > > >
>> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> > > >
>> > > > Christian
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi all,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled
>> due
>> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
>> from.
>> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com and the
>> contact
>> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Help!
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
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