[ceph-users] list admin issues

Svante Karlsson svante.karlsson at csi.se
Sat Oct 6 14:37:49 PDT 2018


I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.

Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:

> I have been removed twice.
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
> get disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> > Please help!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elias
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date
> and
> >> google will have similar checks:
> >> ---
> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >>
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >>
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
> out.
> >>
> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >> > >
> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure
> out
> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >> > >
> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already
> use
> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >> > >
> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell,
> doubly so
> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >> >
> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >> > >
> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
> >> >
> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> >> > ---
> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of
> list
> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
> attachments).
> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that
> the
> >> > recipient can click on.
> >> > ---
> >> >
> >> > Christian
> >> >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com>
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You're on gmail.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam
> my bet
> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of
> these
> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Christian
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi all,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed
> from
> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been
> disabled due
> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
> from.
> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com and the
> contact
> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Help!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
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