[ceph-users] list admin issues

Joshua Chen cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw
Sat Oct 6 23:18:16 PDT 2018


I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).

Cheers
Joshua


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <svante.karlsson at csi.se>
wrote:

> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
> dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>
> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
>
>> I have been removed twice.
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
>> get disabled twice a month.
>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
>> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
>> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
>> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>> >
>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
>> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
>> recently.
>> > Please help!
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elias
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin,
>> however
>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to
>> date and
>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> ---
>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >>
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >>
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
>> autolearn=no
>> >> ---
>> >>
>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
>> out.
>> >>
>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> >>
>> >> Christian
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure
>> out
>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
>> subscribed
>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in
>> the
>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already
>> use
>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >
>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see
>> below.
>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell,
>> doubly so
>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> >
>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off
>> digest
>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> >> > >
>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> >> > ---
>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of
>> list
>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
>> attachments).
>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments
>> that the
>> >> > recipient can click on.
>> >> > ---
>> >> >
>> >> > Christian
>> >> >
>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hello,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to
>> spam my bet
>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of
>> these
>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Christian
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed
>> from
>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been
>> disabled due
>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is
>> coming from.
>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com and the
>> contact
>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info but
>> haven't
>> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Help!
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
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