[ceph-users] list admin issues

Jeff Smith jeff at unbiasedgeek.com
Mon Oct 8 14:21:24 PDT 2018


I just got dumped again.  I have not sent any attechments/images.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
<elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>
> If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>
> /E
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma <martin at palma.bz> wrote:
>>
>> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich at croit.io> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> > <cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw>:
>> > >
>> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Joshua
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <svante.karlsson at csi.se> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> > >>
>> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> > >>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Hi,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get disabled twice a month.
>> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.
>> > >>> > Please help!
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Thanks,
>> > >>> > Elias
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
>> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> > >>> >>  FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> > >>> >>  HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Christian
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
>> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > >>> >> > ---
>> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
>> > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
>> > >>> >> > recipient can click on.
>> > >>> >> > ---
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Christian
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > Cheers,
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > Hello,
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
>> > >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> > >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > Christian
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>> > >>> >> > > >>
>> > >>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>> > >>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> > >>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
>> > >>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> > >>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> > >>> >> > > >>
>> > >>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
>> > >>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com and the contact
>> > >>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>> > >>> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> > >>> >> > > >>
>> > >>> >> > > >> Help!
>> > >>> >> > > >>
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > >
>> > >>> >> > > > --
>> > >>> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> > >>> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> > >>> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
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