[ceph-users] list admin issues

Gerhard W. Recher gerhard.recher at net4sec.com
Mon Oct 8 15:14:11 PDT 2018


@all and Listadmin


These Problems with Gmail Email Addresse or Domains operated under Google Control

Are caused by Google refusing high Volume Senders !!!

I operated a Security list and hast Been faced with exactly Same Problems


Google is totally ignorant, no real answers to Out complains !


Just my 2 Cents

Am 8. Oktober 2018 23:52:20 MESZ schrieb Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich at croit.io>:
>You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed
>because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you.
>Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith
><jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
>>
>> I just got dumped again.  I have not sent any attechments/images.
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
>people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>> >
>> > /E
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma <martin at palma.bz>
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich
><paul.emmerich at croit.io> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
>Suite.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul
>> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> >> > <cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
>re-enable).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers
>> >> > > Joshua
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson
><svante.karlsson at csi.se> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
>dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith
><jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> >> > >>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying.
>My membership get disabled twice a month.
>> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing
>lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only
>affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
>accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure
>this one out?
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate
>what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725,
>20180718 most recently.
>> >> > >>> > Please help!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Thanks,
>> >> > >>> > Elias
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer
><chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
>SpamAssassin, however
>> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively
>high scores.
>> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA
>is up to date and
>> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
>tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >> > >>> >> 
>FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >> > >>> >> 
>HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID
>shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're
>well on your way out.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces
>to trigger
>> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the
>counter.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Christian
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer
>wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite
>wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really
>like to figure out
>> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only
>person subscribed
>> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be
>allowing them in the
>> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment
>requirements are less
>> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that
>don't already use
>> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK,
>but see below.
>> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can
>be hell, doubly so
>> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I
>turned off digest
>> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll
>try setting
>> >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything
>changes...
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but
>what do I know.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about
>attachments:
>> >> > >>> >> > ---
>> >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily
>“digests” of list
>> >> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any
>original
>> >> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages
>of attachments).
>> >> > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original
>attachments that the
>> >> > >>> >> > recipient can click on.
>> >> > >>> >> > ---
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > Christian
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer
><chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Hello,
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with
>regards to spam my bet
>> >> > >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is
>the cause of these
>> >> > >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite
>wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being
>unsubscribed from
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users
>has been disabled due
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly
>basis.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or
>where it is coming from.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing
>ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com and the contact
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more
>info but haven't
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Help!
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > --
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> > >>> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> --
>> >> > >>> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> > >>> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
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>> >> > >>> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Paul Emmerich
>> >> >
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