[ceph-users] list admin issues

Elias Abacioglu elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com
Tue Oct 9 04:03:55 PDT 2018


Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit?
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en

/Elias

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev <ag at iss-integration.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
> >
> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
> >
> > /E
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma <martin at palma.bz> wrote:
> >>
> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich at croit.io>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
> Suite.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
> >> > <cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw>:
> >> > >
> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
> re-enable).
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Joshua
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <
> svante.karlsson at csi.se> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
> dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <
> jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> >> > >>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Hi,
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
> membership get disabled twice a month.
> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists
> and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected?
> Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this
> one out?
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718
> most recently.
> >> > >>> > Please help!
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Thanks,
> >> > >>> > Elias
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi at gol.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
> SpamAssassin, however
> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
> scores.
> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is
> up to date and
> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >> > >>> >>
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >> > >>> >>
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
> autolearn=no
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
> your way out.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
> trigger
> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Christian
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to
> figure out
> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
> subscribed
> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing
> them in the
> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements
> are less
> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
> already use
> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but
> see below.
> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
> hell, doubly so
> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned
> off digest
> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try
> setting
> >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what
> do I know.
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about
> attachments:
> >> > >>> >> > ---
> >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily
> “digests” of list
> >> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any
> original
> >> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
> attachments).
> >> > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original
> attachments that the
> >> > >>> >> > recipient can click on.
> >> > >>> >> > ---
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > Christian
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <
> chibi at gol.com> wrote:
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with
> regards to spam my bet
> >> > >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the
> cause of these
> >> > >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > >> Hi all,
> >> > >>> >> > > >>
> >> > >>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being
> unsubscribed from
> >> > >>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
> >> > >>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has
> been disabled due
> >> > >>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
> >> > >>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> >> > >>> >> > > >>
> >> > >>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it
> is coming from.
> >> > >>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com
> and the contact
> >> > >>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info
> but haven't
> >> > >>> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> >> > >>> >> > > >>
> >> > >>> >> > > >> Help!
> >> > >>> >> > > >>
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > >
> >> > >>> >> > > > --
> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
> >> > >>> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> --
> >> > >>> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
> >> > >>> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> > >>> >> ceph-users at lists.ceph.com
> >> > >>> >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
> >> > >>> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Paul Emmerich
> >> >
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> Same here
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