[ceph-users] list admin issues

shubjero shubjero at gmail.com
Fri Oct 12 13:00:43 PDT 2018


Happens to me too, on gmail. I'm on half a dozen other mailman lists with
no issues at all. I've escalate this problem to the ceph mailing list
maintainer and they said its an issue with their provider, but this was
probably a year ago.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:04 AM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit?
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en
>
> /Elias
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev <ag at iss-integration.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
>> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>> >
>> > /E
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma <martin at palma.bz> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich at croit.io>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
>> Suite.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul
>> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> >> > <cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
>> re-enable).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers
>> >> > > Joshua
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <
>> svante.karlsson at csi.se> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
>> dev at kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <
>> jeff at unbiasedgeek.com>:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> >> > >>> <elias.abacioglu at deltaprojects.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
>> membership get disabled twice a month.
>> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing
>> lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only
>> affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
>> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this
>> one out?
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
>> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725,
>> 20180718 most recently.
>> >> > >>> > Please help!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Thanks,
>> >> > >>> > Elias
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <
>> chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
>> SpamAssassin, however
>> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
>> scores.
>> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is
>> up to date and
>> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
>> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
>> autolearn=no
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
>> your way out.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
>> trigger
>> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Christian
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like
>> to figure out
>> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
>> subscribed
>> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing
>> them in the
>> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements
>> are less
>> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
>> already use
>> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but
>> see below.
>> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
>> hell, doubly so
>> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned
>> off digest
>> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try
>> setting
>> >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what
>> do I know.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about
>> attachments:
>> >> > >>> >> > ---
>> >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily
>> “digests” of list
>> >> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any
>> original
>> >> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
>> attachments).
>> >> > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original
>> attachments that the
>> >> > >>> >> > recipient can click on.
>> >> > >>> >> > ---
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > Christian
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <
>> chibi at gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Hello,
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with
>> regards to spam my bet
>> >> > >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the
>> cause of these
>> >> > >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being
>> unsubscribed from
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has
>> been disabled due
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it
>> is coming from.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner at lists.ceph.com
>> and the contact
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz at redhat.com) to get more info
>> but haven't
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >> Help!
>> >> > >>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > > --
>> >> > >>> >> > > > Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> > >>> >> > > > chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> --
>> >> > >>> >> Christian Balzer        Network/Systems Engineer
>> >> > >>> >> chibi at gol.com           Rakuten Communications
>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> > >>> >> ceph-users at lists.ceph.com
>> >> > >>> >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
>> >> > >>> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Paul Emmerich
>> >> >
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>> Same here
>> --
>> Alex Gorbachev
>> Storcium
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